Vit K2, MK-7,8,9 & Bambi Able’s LOGIC re: the science January 7, 2020 47 By Bertrand Dibbert CategoryArticles BlogTagscontrave cv disease calcification k2 mk7 cv inflammation diabetes ford brewer md mph ford brewer prevmed heart attack stroke prevention hga1c fasting glucose insulin K2 MK7 MK8 Mk9 longevity metformin weight loss PCSK9 vs statin plaque calcification mk7 vit k2 cv risk PrevMedHeartRisk.com vit 2 let sleeping dogs lie vit k2 fiddling while rome burns vitamin k2 yt:cc=on 47 Comments Ken Rach says: February 16, 2018 at 5:12 pm Are you referring to K2 when you say k 7,8,9? Or is that a different vitamin? Reply Greg Walker says: February 16, 2018 at 5:13 pm Why did Bob Harper have a heart attack? he was in shape and ate healthy .. that scares me Reply Ken Rach says: February 16, 2018 at 5:13 pm You should do a video on Dr. Rath's unified theory and read is actual studies on humans and his mice model Reply Ken Rach says: February 16, 2018 at 5:16 pm So how are we going to reduce inflammation Reply Ken Rach says: February 16, 2018 at 5:17 pm I wonder if you ever read the Ornish studies? Reply Ken Rach says: February 16, 2018 at 5:21 pm I wonder if anyone ever looked at the health and life span of the average PGA tour player. I've been playing and watching golf since 1992. You never hear of these guys ever having CVD or type 2. I wonder if it has anything to do that they walk about 7 miles when they golf everydsy. Reply Andrea Harwick says: February 16, 2018 at 5:43 pm Question: isn’t the reason we take K2-MK7 to help with the metabolic action of calcium entering the body? I’m not taking K2 to clean up my arteries. I just want the calcium I ingest through food to end up in my bones, and not end up clogging my arteries. I figure I can worry about what is in the arteries when my doc says I need to start a statin. Reply Ken Rach says: February 16, 2018 at 6:01 pm Where do we get k7, not sure if I ever saw that in vitamin shop Reply dobe762 says: February 16, 2018 at 6:47 pm Lots of good questions raised! It seems to me that addressing the inflammation is the first priority, most folks are looking for the magic pill, without them having to make any major changes, be that K2, D3, etc when the reality is, put the fire out! Reply jalil pionner says: February 16, 2018 at 8:42 pm in supplementation with Ca they give the magnesium with calcium in order to avoid that the Ca fix in the arteries, because the Ca gona calcificate the artery before the bone, and there is evidence on that Reply Robin Rae says: February 17, 2018 at 5:16 am So don’t take K2. Is the answer. Correct? Reply Dr. Angie Stones says: February 17, 2018 at 9:25 am Dr. Brewer here is the old article on cortisol but can't find the article I did on plasma albumen. But it was the same study. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10357033/ Reply Peggy Harris says: February 17, 2018 at 6:58 pm I have a friend who is into health food and supplements. She only smokes organic tobacco and rolls her own. Hummmm Reply dwevors says: February 18, 2018 at 3:09 am Then do we worry about our coronary calcium score? Mine was 0 but does it matter or indicate good health or even a good test. Reply Aldo Garbellini says: February 18, 2018 at 4:31 am I think your discussion/review of k2 was EXCELLENT. K2 and the reduction of calcium in arteries is not a particular interest of mine, but the thinking you demonstrated regarding what we should be worrying about is helpful and instructive. I warn my friends and teacher colleagues about inflammation, use of carbohydrates as a food source, general cardiovascular conditioning, and temperance regarding all things which enter the body. ‘Fiddling’ must stop and insulin resistance must be talked about more, not stuff around the edges. Sorry for long response but I think this is my favorite video because of the thinking. Reply Dr. Angie Stones says: February 18, 2018 at 10:09 am Dr. Brewer, I would be interested to know your view on telomeres and telomerase therapy which is gaining popularity in biological aging. If it is of interest to you, would you care to review latest literature? Reply Hiker Bro says: February 21, 2018 at 9:38 pm I guess the question I'm left with is, after having moved to a healthier diet and increasing exercise, is there any way to reduce arterial plaques that doesn't increase risk of creating hot plaque clots? Reply KoiPondPeppy says: February 28, 2018 at 1:45 pm I take K2 for osteopenia. Growing up I was never a cheese eater or milk drinker or much of a meat eater either. So, that's why I take it. And I get more calcium through food than I used to. Reply Bambi Able says: March 13, 2018 at 7:35 am #1 Thank you for consideration of my comments #2 I never meant that k-2 alone is an answer to all things cardiovascular [or cerebrovascular] but more that it may be an adjunct to statins, blood pressure control, weight management, good diet, exercise and blood sugar management #3 Aging, vascular complications, pancreas issues, kidney problem, general weakening of every system is occurring and these share both discrete as well as multifactoral approaches too slowing progression [and perhaps some regression]. and finally #4….BAMBI WAS A BOY DEER !!!!!! Reply Nancy N says: March 25, 2018 at 7:21 pm When I first started ingesting K2-MK7 my nails hardened and began to grow stronger at age 72. Long hard fingernails. Prior to K2 they flaked and never grew. I now have very little plaque build up in my teeth. My teeth even feel different, stronger maybe. Before adding K2 I began D3. My nails would grow, chip then break. ( I'm also on a Keto diet). At my last blood test, I was spilling a little calcium. The Dr said wasn't enough to worry about. Something is happening and it's positive. I've always wanted long beautiful nails. Shame I had to wait until age 72 to get them, but I still love them even at my age. Reply william arlak says: March 29, 2018 at 2:13 am what is effects of urolithins A and B, EDTA and nattokinase? Reply william arlak says: March 29, 2018 at 2:16 am what about L-carnosine with respect to glycation and glucose and athreosclrosis? Reply Keep Sweet says: April 1, 2018 at 2:24 pm Hello Dr. Ford, your comment on a1c being 5.7 is a concern and insulin causing inflammation do you have video on this, what would be a normal a1c result? Thank Reply John Coleman says: April 3, 2018 at 4:32 pm If it's bad to take K2 wouldn't it also be bad to eat foods that contain K2? Reply carterri says: April 11, 2018 at 1:44 pm I'm so confused! Doesn't the build up of calcium add to a greater risk of a heart attack? Please explain your distinction between plaque and calcium. What's the difference? Is it the plaque that's killing us and how so if the calcium is sitting on top of the plaque? I'm trying to wrap my brain around this. So the calcium is sitting on top of the plaque, right? Please explain. Reply Jamie J. says: April 26, 2018 at 8:03 pm Thank you for the follow up. So much to consider Reply Akane Cortich says: May 10, 2018 at 12:50 pm worrying about tyre tread whilst the breaks are falling apart. Very good question, what happens to the plaque once you remove the 'cement' and simple logic would say…more likely harm than good. Once the 'sore' is opened up it gets attacked again, made hot? Reply Akane Cortich says: May 11, 2018 at 12:06 pm Then again what if you have a poor ankle-brachial pressure index indicating PVD? Reply Robert says: May 13, 2018 at 12:21 am PS. DOC, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST IN LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION Reply Akane Cortich says: June 6, 2018 at 2:09 pm The important 'Critical' question is does K2 mk7 reduce calcification of plaques, it would stand to reason that calcification would be reduced in areas where it is not needed (because there has been a constant over supply of calcium into the system), and deposited to where it should be – ie teeth, bones and….plaques??The reason to focus on D3/K2 is that a CAC scores is a good indicator of future CV event, and I've seen this stated in lectures."The CAC score is a strong predictor of CHD incidence, and provides predictive information beyond the traditional risk factors in different ethnic groups." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2922321/ So if you have a bad CAC score it indicates an immediate change in lifestyle needed, and that score reduced over time.After having read a ton of papers regarding the processes of calcification, risk factors and so on, and also the apparent success of K2 on CAC ….. I am starting to think that the function of K2 in the body is to direct calcium to specific places (bone, teeth), including CV breaches and plaques. And thus IF directing calcium to CV plaques is a natural function of the body via K2, then K2 isn't going to remove what it is designed to do. However the excess calcium in the body that gets deposited in other tissue can be activated and redirected via D3/K2 Calcium with plaques is a type of 'immune' response as it were, calcium in other tissue is simply dumping. This is my opion……so far. Reply Akane Cortich says: June 6, 2018 at 2:40 pm This is a quite thourough discussion of what K2 is, all the things it does, how it operates, and covering the various benefits including CV and aortic calcification, plus covering a few studies. I found it very imformative. From Microbiome Labs. Its 47 minutes but covers most things, and lot of things we wouldn't have guessed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-KGceRenn4 Reply Ryan Hadley says: July 18, 2018 at 1:16 am If you are on a high dose of D3 shouldn't you take K2? that's why I'm taking k2 Reply Steve T says: December 6, 2018 at 12:36 pm Well done again Dr. Brewer. I especially think your last comments were right on: taking any supplement while ignoring obvious risk factors like high blood pressure, being over weight, poor diet, lack of exercise is a fools errand. I do take K2, but not as a pill, I eat natto on a regular basis. It's hard to find, and it is nasty, but a great natural source of K2. Reply WeBeGood says: January 7, 2019 at 3:00 pm So, have added K2 to your list of tools to fight CVD? I find it odd that you can't admit that you were wrong in your initial video by mixing and matching two studies and drawing incorrect conclusions from them. In this video, you deflect by pointing to the elephant in the room, insulin resistance/diabetes. The Matrix Gla-Protein's purpose is to eliminate calcium in soft tissues, it a trash collector/eliminator. It only works only if it is carboxylated with vitamin K2, essentially un-carboxylated Matrix Gla-Protein is broken and not functioning trash collection. If you have Un-carboxylated Matrix Gla-Protein you are by definition suffering from Vitamin K2 deficiency. You are advocating that people should remain Vitamin K2 deficient. Did you see the Rotterdam study from 2004? 50% reduction in risk of arterial calcification and 50% risk reduction for cardiovascular events with 4800 humans? Reply Steven Dragoo says: February 17, 2019 at 7:43 pm So if we leave sleeping dogs lie, does that mean niacin is back on the table? Separately I take D3 and use K2 to help calcium go to the right places; bones but certainly seems like k2 dosage should be a consideration. Thanks… Reply Tmanaz480 says: February 19, 2019 at 7:55 pm You can't supplement yourself out of a bad diet. Reply Kabbalah is anti-Christ israel is anti-Christ says: February 24, 2019 at 3:47 am Yes all good points my friends…but..,thats where serrapeptase and other systemic digestive enzymes come into play, because they then eat up (digest) the stuff that the k2 pulls of the blood vessel walls…like little pac men.., as does your "good" cholesterol.. then you take organic sulfur (msm) to then repair the damage on the blood vessel walls (endothelial) and then vitamins C&E to keep them nice and shiny..!Simple.. Reply texicon says: March 9, 2019 at 1:37 pm Very good!Agree that a person is better off focusing on the metabolic fundamentals than attempting to erode arterial calcium structures (more research is needed). It's clear that minimizing the rate of calcification has an enormous impact on mortality. Reply Rod Ritchie says: March 27, 2019 at 8:54 am Although this is an old video I thought I should still comment. If K2 reduces the calcium buildup slowly.. maybe it's meant to.. so that the damaged area has time to rectify or reduce it's threat and for other events that have led to the calcium buildup to remedy themselves. Humans seem to always think that they know better (by assumption). Reply xyz says: April 1, 2019 at 8:54 pm Dr i have been takeing heart healthy supplements and have had a fast heart rate for 24 hours a day for the past week, do you know what could be causeing it? Reply Ban Parlous says: April 5, 2019 at 1:23 pm Obviously a healthy diet (low insulin, low GI, low GL, low in sugar, low in carbs, low in seeds oils) should be the first step. Anything else would simply be counterproductive to anything else one might additionally try. I don’t believe in magic pills & our society is constantly being sold on them. The jury is still out on K2-7, but a couple things are on my mind about K2-7: 1) First rule of any medicine practitioner is “do no harm”. From what I can research, K2-7 isn’t toxic. At the very least, It could work better than coq10 in regards to mitochondria activity. 2) Some published studies have the patients taking 100 mcg or less, when 320 mcg is recommended for all of K2-7 benefits. I’d like to see a dosage study. 3) Not a huge fan of epidemiology, but the Japan study was impressive. 4) Not impressed with mice findings because they may not translate to humans, but at the same time every drug has to start there (that or pigs). So when one says it “was only mice” that’s true but somewhat of a cop-out as well. It’s considered inhumane to start anywhere else (for good reasons). 5) Whether K2-7 helps clear out artery plaque build-up is one question. Whether K2-7 (along w/ D3 & magnesium) helps with new calcium distribution ( & absorption ) is another. 6) Some dentists have started to prescribe K2-7 for plaque buildup and overall teeth health with reported success. I’d love more studies on K2-7 & hopefully one day we can all get more answers on this subject. But it does seem to pass the ‘do no harm’ test. (Unless you’re on other drugs like blood-thinners or warfarin). Reply 147DegreesWest says: April 15, 2019 at 7:17 am As a woman, I look at Japan and other countries with high k2 consumption and the great reduction of osteoporosis in countries with high K2, and I will take it. Not everything is about blood vessels. Reply Will Nitschke says: May 18, 2019 at 6:58 am Agreed. Supplementation is seldom a magic bullet. It may help to take K2 as part of a healthy life style over many decades. Not as a fix when you already have significant health problems. Reply Robert R. Beauchamp says: June 10, 2019 at 4:53 pm K2 seems not to reduce existing calcification very much but, with D3 & magnesium, it does seem very helpful in bone health and other areas. Reply T. J. says: July 12, 2019 at 7:08 am Does Vitamin k2 remove calcium deposits from arteries?After 12 weeks, there was a 53% reduction in accumulated arterial calcium deposits. The groups receiving the high-dose vitamin K1 and K2 also showed a reversal in carotid artery stiffness. This study provided intriguing evidence that vascular calcification may be reversible by high vitamin K intake. Reply Daniel Kleinmeier says: August 1, 2019 at 1:52 am I think Mk7 + D3 is pushing down a wisdom tooth at my age, 59… shame some teeth are missing, but something is sticking down and I’m pretty sure u don’t get three sets of teeth! Reply Gerald's Videos says: December 1, 2019 at 3:53 am Researchers need to use larger test populations! Reply Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. 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